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Tizen App Challenge - Country not eligible

Hi!

I really wanted to participate in the Tizen App Challenge, but I realized my country (Portugal) isn't eligible. Can you explain me the reasons why ?

I have some friends living in eligible countries, can they submit the app for the challenge in my behalf ?

Thank you!

Edited by: Brock Boland on 17 Mar, 2014 Reason: Paragraph tags added automatically from tizen_format_fix module.
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Many countries are not eligible for the contest sadly. Here is Brian from Tizen answered you question "Just to be clear, the 22 countries listed are the ones where legal approved this particular contest. Please understand that we do actually need to listen to the lawyers, too..." https://lists.tizen.org/pipermail/general/2013-July/002365.html So it appears that the challenge is running under strict law. Could be something related in USA law or some other country. I don't think that the challenge is run under South Korea law because bada and Android challenges were open to almost all the world with small exception to 3-4 countries It is not good for Tizen IMO. About the other part of question, I don't know but I believe you can. It is about the Seller account. You friend may open account under his name and submit the app and then he will be eligible. He might act as your Trojan Horse . I don't think it is illegal as long you are not involved directly and then you friend must send you the prize not Tizen
tizendevteam T
Hi Bruno, The 22 countries listed in the T&C are the ones where Tizen organization have legal approval to run the contest. Please understand this is a legal limitation, nothing more Thanks and Regards,
Bruno Magalhaes
Thank you for your answers. I'll develop the app as part of a team, and my friend will act as the contact point in the Tizen app challenge, registering the app in the Tizen Store and submitting to the challenge. Since he lives in a eligible country, the app will be valid :)
Pushpa G
ok:)
Tomas Rychnovsky
I just found that Czech Republic is not eligible too. I wonder what lawyer reasons can be in it as Poland and Slovakia are eligible... It seems to me that lawyers and bureaucracy may be the crucial fail factor for new Tizen. No doubt that the most important thing the new OS needs are applications. Lot of mobile applications are made by small developers spread worldwide. So every clever company will support them (or at least not work against them). The Challenge is good way. But limiting it to quite a small set of countries is terribly bad thing. Beside this - starting with Tizen requires some overhead. It is lower for former bada programmers. But they also know how bada - Samsung works. How bad is their payment morale, how bad is their support, how nonsense are some of the rules. These developers also may have experience with Google or Apple where the relationship between developer and company is very clear. I am afraid that Tizen store will follow the bada times as the store is absolutely the same. These are all things that will repel potencial developers while the Challeng may attracted them. So, everyone who wants to support enlargement of eligible countries, reply, please, to this post. There are still two month till deadline and maybe there will be enough of us to be heard!
Italy here. I already partecipated to Tizen port-a-thon contest and just wonder why I can't partecipate to App Challenge too.
John Ixion
Just wanted to say that the countries have been selected by the Linux Foundation lawyers, not Samsung ;)
John Ixion
forgot: Belgium (my country) is in the list but not the Netherlands for instance. Both countries have similar legal systems, so the selection process is a mystery to me.
Where is Linux Foundation is based and which country law they are following?
If Samsung is paying the prizes then it should be moved to South Korea and all countries will be eligible. All developers will have equal chances and Tizen store will benefit more for sure ...
Bruno Magalhaes
Linux Foundation is based in San Francisco, CA, USA. Since this thread has been busy, I decided to send an email to linuxfoundation.org regarding this matter. Let's wait and see what they answer
I thought so. US law seems strict and complicated. I guess Brian, I think he works at Linux Foundation, already answered someone else that they will not /or cannot/ expend the challenge to more countries Your best chance is to find a friend in other country or wait hopefully till future challenges .. The odd thing that Linux is about being Free and Fair for every country...:)
Brian Warner
Brian here. Yes, that's right.  While we'd love to be able to expand the contest after launch, it's just not an option available to us.  Also, national contest laws are substantially different even in countries that seem to be otherwise similar.  For example, there is precisely zero consistency between EU countries (even neighbors), let alone the rest of the world.  I've been deeply into this.  Some laws are positively bizarre. I do want to genuinely thank you for your interest in the contest.  Wish it were possible to give you another answer about adding countries on this particular contest, but as I'd said before, we don't make the rules but we do have to follow them. Nour, to your last point, it's a good thing the people who write contest law didn't also write the GPL ;-)
John Ixion
Hi Brian, I can only speak for Europe of course but I don't see any reason why a contest would be problematic in any EU country. Since you've been deeply into this, could you give an explanation for one EU country for instance.
I don't understand the law and I won't argue about it. I am sure Brian knows the challenge rules very well. I was working on 2-3 apps for the challenge myself. I was going to apply with my business partner from Dubai but didn't happen although country like United Arab Emirates does not have any Tax system and has easier law regarding money transfer and so. I hope any future challenges will have flexible rules to give the fair opportunity for all and for the sake of Tizen Good luck for all participant ... I hope I see some cool and famous apps
John Ixion
The problem for some countries could be that the total prize money is too high imo
All bada and android challenges by Samsung had grand prizes as well. It is about "specific" challenge rule related to some strange USA law IMO Otherwise, All other Samsung challenges were run by Samsung according to South Korea law were open to all world Linux Foundation must relocate IMO to more Open place in Europe or Asia :)
The same strange rule says that Quebec is not eligible while Canada is :)
John Ixion
If it's related to US laws, they must relocate future contests to Korea or anywhere else, that's for sure :)
John Ixion
... but Brian says "For example, there is precisely zero consistency between EU countries (even neighbors), let alone the rest of the world. "
John Ixion
... so I would say: "Portugal is not allowed because ..."
It is good to know if Brian can answer this... !! It is sponsored by Linux Foundation according to USA export law. Samsung and Intel are considered as "Promotion Partners" "Participants acknowledge that entries may be subject to United States export laws, regardless of location or nationality. Participants agree to comply with all applicable export controls, including, but not limited to, the United States Department of Commerce's Export Administration Regulations, sanctions programs administered by the United States Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, and any export laws applicable in Participant’s country of residence. Participant further warrants that their entries are authorized for export from the United States under these laws." To understand why your country is not eligible you probably need to understand the USA export law and sanctions programs!!
Compare Tizen Challenge to Samsung Smart App Challenge 2013 which is open to almost all the world with minor restriction like North Korea "The Challenge, the Specific Rules and the Terms and Conditions shall be governed in all respects by the laws of the Republic of Korea In the event of any dispute regarding the Challenge, the Participant may file a lawsuit to the non-exclusive jurisdiction of Seoul Central District Court of the Republic of Korea." "Individuals whose participation is restricted by relevant laws of the Republic of Korea or relevant legislations, regulations and other government policies that apply to Participants are not eligible to participate. "
John Ixion

The new Appbackr Challenge doesn't have any restrictions http://tizenapps.challengepost.com/forum_topics/2662

Bruno Magalhaes

Great! Thnx :)

Brian Kissinger

Could also be some countries consider it gambling, and what government wants another country taking advantage of it's citizens? 
(actually, 3 months of work is a big wager.)